Tuesday, November 25, 2008

Open Letter to Bliss Broyard

“How was Bliss?” asked my man Lindsay Robs, via e-mail a few days ago.

He’d wanted to come down from D.C. for her talk, but couldn’t. Me, I’ve been thinking about that very question for over a week now, and I’ve struggled, considering how to put my feelings words. I thought about putting it in a private e-mail to you guys, but then I thought, “You know, there’s nothing I’d say to you that I wouldn’t say to her”---it’s not like there’s some big secret… Still, to prevent me from saying something I have no business saying, I’m going to put my response in the form of an open letter to Bliss herself, just to keep me honest. Bear with me, please---it’s going to take awhile, because it’s not a simple subject, but here goes:

I’m one of many people, Bliss,

who have a love-hate relationship with theory. It’s wonderful to have someone think through many of life’s issues and concerns, and present them in a way that allows me to place my own thoughts or situation in that theoretical context and allow that context to explain certain phenomena. That’s what I like about theory. My problem with theory, however, is that it’s, well, theoretical---it’s in the air, it’s floating context. And I live on the ground.

And the more I think of it, that’s the problem I had with your stance on race---more specifically, “post-race”---at dinner after the talk. Now, one thing I definitely want to do is separate my feelings about your stance with my feelings about you. I liked you, and I enjoyed dinner, and I especially appreciated the way we disagreed. In my world, reasonable people can disagree and still shake hands and walk away smiling. As I’m sure you know, some people can’t quite pull that off, and I’m delighted that we were able to do so. Another thing I’d like to say is that I feel like your post-racial position was fairly representative of how I understand post-race theory in general, so I want you to read what follows as far more of a critique on the concept of “post-race” than on you, personally. Let’s just say you were the first person I’ve had an actual conversation with who held these views, and even though I was wary of post-racial theory before, it’d never been in my face, so to speak, until our dinner.

Now, I said a lot at dinner, and I’ve been thinking over what I said, and to be totally honest, I’m not backing down from any position I staked out. But since this is an open letter, and my fellow Black Men Read?! members weren’t at the dinner---although they did read your book---I’ll try to recount here, as best I can, your position and mine when it comes to what you called “the post-race ideal.”

My first problem was when, as best I can recall, during the Q&A, when asked which race you’d designate for your daughter, you said she knows her cousins, and, as you stood before a projected photo of your blond, blue-eyed daughter and her cousin, a phenotypically black child, you suggested that her racial designation wasn’t important in the grand scheme of things. Those are my words, not yours, and if you feel as if I misquoted you, I apologize for that, but that’s how I heard it. And when we talked later, at dinner, we talked specifically about raising children, and that’s where the disagreement came from.

See, race is, indeed, as the theorists say, merely a fiction, only a cultural construct. True enough. But it’s a fiction that everyone believes in. Let’s compare it with, say, astrology. Astrology is a way of understanding the world, too, just like race is, but while a lot of people believe in astrology, not everyone does, and there’s no penalty for not believing in it. Race is another matter entirely. It is, indeed, how we make sense of the world.

“But do you really think,” you asked during dinner, “that race is the primary way people identify individuals?” Again, that’s a paraphrase, but it’s close enough. The answer is yes, of course it is. Let me tell another story---I told too many illustrative stories at dinner, but here goes (at least) one more: years ago, as a graduate student, I taught a freshman composition class at VCU, and as part of the class requirements, I had the students turn in journals periodically. One of the students, God bless him, turned in his journal, including the doodles and random jottings he was doing on the first day of class, as he sat in the classroom, waiting for me to arrive. And right there, written down in mid-sentence, was his instantaneous reaction as I opened the door and walked into the room: “He’s black!” And the very next sentence was, “Now, why was that the first thing I thought?” I thought it was perfect. He honestly scribbled his top-of-mind reaction, and then (not, at that early moment, knowing he’d be turning it in) critiqued that reaction.

I submit to you that regardless of the race of that student---white, black, or other (and this kid was Asian, if it matters)---, my skin color is the first thing Americans notice about me. That’s what I find so baffling about the post-race crew: what’s so doggone “post” when race is still the initial factor for the person you’ve just met? (I know, I know, some people insist they’re colorblind; I simply don’t believe them, and I don’t trust them. Either they’re naïve, or they’re duplicitous---I can’t fathom any other rationale for the “colorblind” assertion.)

“But don’t you think that’s changing?,” you said to me at dinner. Er, no—I don’t. My blackness screams to others. My social class does also talk loudly, as do my clothes, my hair, my voice and how I use it, along with what I actually say. All those things communicate. But in this country, they communicate in the context of my race. Always have, always will, as long as I live. It’ll be the same for my children’s grandchildren, and likely enough for my children’s grandchildren’s grandchildren. That’s the way it is. I believe most African-Americans will co-sign that assertion. Now, the way it will be is up to question, and although I’ve just given you my prediction, that future is, indeed, up to question. The present, however, isn’t.

But see, you’re in a position to think post-racially because your skin is white, Bliss---it’s as simple and real as that. No one will assume you are of African descent because it doesn’t show on your surface. I’m sorry, but for you, it’s easy to be post-race---nobody is going to remark about your blackness when you walk into a room. More importantly, you won’t (you never have) had to deal with knowing that your blackness announces your presence. You can be post-race, but how post-race can I be? How does that work?

And you know what else? I going to make a distinction between bi-racial people who look white but have been raised by parents who made sure they were raised with a black identity, whatever “black identity” means to them. True, even in that case their blackness doesn’t announce itself, but when they walk into a room they’re walking into it looking out through black eyes, through culturally black eyes. That matters to me. Matters a lot. I know some black folks will diss them because they’re not black enough, or don’t look black, and that’s unfortunate, but nevertheless, that visually-white-looking black person will know who they are. That matters, too. Hugely.

Ultimately, I can’t blame you for your position, since you never had a black childhood, or a black adolescence either, and you can’t go back and get one or the other. You’ll struggle to deal with what it means to have African ancestry for the rest of your life, and I give you credit for doing so, and doing so in public, and in so doing contributing to this ongoing national conversation about race. But you know what? My sense is that you and the positions you have on race are the best example I’ve yet encountered of the difference between “of African descent” and “blackness.” One comes from the genes of one’s parents; the other comes as a result of lived cultural experience, both within the black community and without. That matters, too.

Put this way: I love Richmond. I’ve lived here for a total of 16 years, give or take. But I was a Southern California child, born and raised, and a California adolescent. Because of my upbringing and my cultural interests, there are a lot of things about Richmond that I can completely ignore---and a lot of things that I enjoy immensely about the city, as well. I know, intellectually, that I’m in the South, living here in Richmond, but I don’t conceive of the city in traditionally “southern” terms. It’s simply not a part of my conception of the city of Richmond, as weird as that may sound. But see, it’s easy for me to do so, because although I’m living in the South and plan to do so for the rest of my life, I’m not southern. Never have been, never will be. But here’s what’s most important: I also know that I’m missing a huge component of what it truly means to be a black man living in the South---in the capital of the Confederacy, no less---because I wasn’t raised here. All the nuances, the loaded cultural meanings, the education of where you’re not wanted,, or the brave insistence of going there anyway?---I missed all that. I can tell you all about the cultural nuances of growing up black in L.A., but not the South---it’s simply not a part of my reality, here, and yes, race in America has absolutely changed to the extent that I feel quite comfortable here, quite possibly unaccountably comfortable, and further, it’s possible that my comfort is largely as a result of my ignorance (in a lived, cultural experience sort of way) of the relatively recent racial past of this city.

But even if I set myself to learning, through books and websites and personal interviews and whatever else I could get my hands on, everything I could possibly want to know about growing up black in Richmond between 1959 and, say, 1980---I still can’t go back and experience it! I’ll still be filtering my historical acquisition of knowledge through, alas, my Southern California upbringing; I’ll never---ever---be Southern. It’s simply too late. I arrived here at the age of 25. Grown.

Similarly, regardless of your genetic connection to Africa, I’m afraid it’s too late for you to truly “get” blackness, absent a black childhood and adolescence. It’s not your fault. But the difference between me and the South and you and blackness is that I believe I understand the nature of my relationship with the South, and that understanding means I’m not about to make any New South (“post-south?) declarations, because I know how much I don’t know---and I know what I’ll never know. I’m not sure I can say the same about you, Bliss, based on your talk and our subsequent conversation. Not only that, I also know full well that I’m in no position to tell, not really, whether or how much things are changing here or not. What do I really know---I mean, really? Not much. For me, that’s the bottom line. I believe it is for you, as well, whether you realize it or not. I hope that doesn’t sound harsh, because I really did enjoy talking to you. But I have to be honest. As a black person, you’re simply not credible.

I’m a black man, Bliss. In my mind, theory-in-the-sky is always the biggest problem with post-race. I live on the ground. And you know what? We all do. You do, your daughter does, I do, my kids do. And we have choices to make, down here on the ground. Both/and is nice to position to posit, and it’s a worthy goal, although, as I said at dinner, my dream for a post-race America isn’t both/and, but respect: unqualified, unbound cultural respect for non-white Americans. Respect for difference; true cultural understanding. That’s my dream. But it’s gonna be a long time coming, because in my mind, America ain’t post-racial. We ain’t hardly there yet.

Sincerely wishing you the best,

Bert Ashe

15 comments:

  1. Bert,
    I have a few responses to your dinner conversation with Bliss.
    Looks like we have some disagreements, but I count myself as being among those who can also disagree, shake hands, and show up at the next BMR meeting.

    Post-racial ideal
    Yes, it is an ideal, not an impossibility. It is a possibility that can become reality.
    It sounds as though you don’t share Dr. King’s dream of being judged by the content of character over skin color.

    Bliss: Racial designation not important in the grand scheme of things.
    I agree. In a crisis, racial designation is not important compared to common survival of involved parties.
    I have a white friend that in a life or death situation, beyond family, I would save this person over some black people, with everything else being equal. For me to do otherwise would be purely racist.

    Race: a fiction that everyone believes in.
    I don’t. It’s a social construct built by a racist individuals and sold to society.
    The sooner society stops buying it, the better off we all will be.

    Race: how we make sense of the world.
    Not me. Race can actually fool you sometimes. I make sense of the world by understanding that humans have free-wills.
    We make our own decisions with spiritual and other influences. We are individuals. Some of us are racist, but not all of us. Some of us are sexist, but not all of us, Some of us are …, but not all of us.

    Race, the primary way people identify individuals.
    Identification: Ok, beyond that what else? What’s wrong with identification, for the sake of identification?
    Suit color, shoe color, hair type/length: for the sake of recognition and identification.
    Is gender identification any different from racial identification? We identify each other by gender just as much as by race, perhaps even more.

    VCU student reaction
    It doesn’t rule out possibilities.
    I hope you aren’t basing your lack of hope in the human potential to identify and interact with each other through factors other than race, on the actions of undergraduate students. We do continue to mentally grow beyond college.

    Skin color, first thing noticed.
    How can you verify that each person you encounter is noticing your skin color first?
    Please don’t say by their reactions. We have actors and actresses with Academy Award winning potential walking the streets of Richmond; better known as “people”.

    Clothes, hair, voice, etc. communicated in context of your race.
    You are truly racially conscious. Operating under a high state of racial alertness/consciousness? If that works for you, ok.

    Race: genetics or cultural experiences?
    Gender: genetics or cultural experiences?African descent doesn’t make Bliss black w/o cultural experiences?
    Would genetics and cultural experiences make Bliss black? Make her credible?
    Would male experiences make a male into a female?
    Would surgery take care of genetics?

    Living in the south, but not southern
    Who knows? Your mind and who else if you don’t tell them? Otherwise, you are southern to the unknowing. The dreds don’t make you west coast. My nephew has them.

    Goal: unbound, cultural respect for non-white Americans
    My goal: Race: it’s not an issue. Relationships matter. Contributions to human civilization matter. Disprove the stereotypes and preconceived notions. Why? Lifelong learning. For some people, this will take a lifetime.

    Case to cement my blackness both genetically and culturally (I hope I win!):
    Both parents are black and indeed from the South. Mom (SC), Dad (NC)
    Born in the 60’s; in the South. Attended both segregated and integrated schools. Older siblings participated in sit-ins and boycotts. Lived in black community and enjoyed pool parties with some neighbors, while other neighbors struggled with racism on jobs and daily life.

    Case to cement my friend’s blackness both genetically and culturally:
    Both parents are black and indeed from the South. Mom (VA) Dad (VA)
    Born in the 60’s; in the South. Attended both segregated and integrated schools. Older sibling participated in sit-ins and boycotts; former member of Va. House of Delegates. Lived in black community and enjoyed pool parties with some neighbors, while other neighbors struggled with racism on jobs and daily life.
    Here’s the kicker: She looks totally white. You’d never know the difference.

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  2. Thanks for the candid response, Mark. We do, indeed, have some disagreements, but before I respond to your response, I have to beg your indulgence, along with begging the indulgence of everyone else who's provoked to respond to my post: PLEASE listen to "Choice," an absolutely stunning hour of an excellent NPR show called "Radio Lab," from WNYC. Here's the link, but you can download it easily from iTunes and listen to it via iPod if you prefer: http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolab/

    It's important that you listen through to the very end. Don't worry, it's riviting stuff; I only say that about the end because that's when they talk, briefly, about race in a way that will be helpful to this discussion.

    Lemme know when you've heard it, then I'll happily weigh in on your response...

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  3. Oh, and one more thing during the lag time between you guys---PLEASE---listening to "Choice": I never intimated, nor hinted, nor suggested, nor whispered, nor uttered, nor wrote in any way, shape or form that my dreadlocks made me "west coast"! [laughing] You're absolutely right on that count, Mark. On that we totally agree!

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  4. I love NPR.
    They have some of the greatest shows.
    I hadn’t heard about Radiolab.
    Excellent show.

    I totally agree with many of the findings the commentators and guests reference.
    Too many choices/decisions can overwhelm the rational part of the brain or cause it to give in to the emotional brain system.

    In fact this posting is testing my emotional brain system.
    I don’t cook. My wife challenged me to make a bread pudding for T’day.
    The rationale thing to do would be to find a recipe and get started and yet here I type due to the enjoyment of discussion.
    I’m not the writer that many of you all are anyway, but this comment is tainted by “choices” that await me.  That’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it. 

    Now about the show …
    The priming of our choices by various stimuli.
    The relationship between temperature and trust.

    Stereotypes influenced by society/media.
    Biases formulated from our world to create an unconscious database that influence our images of races.
    Prisoners of our culture.
    The illusion of having a conscious will.

    Obviously, this whole issue of choice relates back to my statement that as humans we make our own decisions with spiritual and “other” influences.
    The show clearly examines and confirms some of those “other” influences.
    All of this is true.
    However, fortunately the road doesn’t end there!

    With virtually no thanks to the media, which uses it’s power to influence so many of society’s decisions through advertising and programming, I believe race relations, cultural understanding, and respect in this country have improved over the years. We, as a country and as a species, still have a ways to go. There is hope in every generation. Barack Obama’s win feeds that hope. I believe there are many, not all, who share that hope and yet there are possibly an equal number of people who have rushed to gun dealers in anticipation of a pending racial war that is to be sparked by the assassination of Barack (another discussion thread?). There is such an incongruity with people is many ways and yet there are those who still see the potential. My 88 year-old mother is among the many elderly who never thought they would live to see a black president.

    Speaking of Barack, if the lack of sufficient cultural experiences makes Bliss Broyard ineligible for bona fide “blackness”, does the brief connection that Barack made with his Kenyan relatives at the age of 27 make him eligible? I suggest that in the eyes of society even without the visit to Kenya and the community work, skin color alone gave Barack and adequate payment to the Bank of Blackness. Even if Bliss had the cultural experiences to add to the genetic connection, in the eyes of society she would still have insufficient racial funds to pay for “blackness”. To the unknowing the same could be said of my very fair-skinned friend with no outward signs of blackness via skin color and yet she is as black as they come, genetically and culturally speaking. She’s the whitest black Delta you possibly would ever meet.

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  5. Thanks for listening to "Choice," Mark---the thing that I got from that hour of excellent radio is that while we do have "conscious will," that will is hugely influenced by other factors, as you suggest.

    I've been thinking, and maybe gender is as strong an identifier as race is, but to me, the idea that anyone, you, me, anyone, can say that they somehow don't "see" race in this American culture---that it doesn't MATTER somehow---is either bs-ing or naive. The hugely important thing about that "Choice" episode is that it confirmed, for me, the reality that there is an unconscious element---perhaps larger than any of us is aware---to the choices we make, and that we're kidding ourselves if we think we can "not see race" in our daily interactions with other humans.

    Now, this certainly doesn't mean that we have no control; I'm not saying that. But I think understanding that there is massive unconscious bias in our lives can only help us live those lives. Bliss seemed to make some generalizations that I not only disagreed with, but I thought were absurd. And I have to say, you co-signed some of them.

    But I'm going to come at it from my "respect" angle, because I don't think we, as African Americans, get much cultural respect from non-blacks unless we're singing, or dribbling a basektball, or cracking jokes, or some other sort of light entertainment, and is that truly respect? Not to me.

    So when you suggest that I "don't share Dr. King's dream of being judged by the content of character over skin color," I don't see how you can come to that conclusion: if there is true, real inter-racial/cultural respect, I WOULD be judged by the content of my character! I can't still be black and be judged by my character? I don't buy that the two are mutually exclusive.

    Here's an interesting post from Ta-Nehisi Coates's blog that I think states it properly (I do hope we can read his book as a group, but I'm going to read it this summer one way or another): http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/11/some_thoughts_on_identity.php

    As far as racial designation not being important in the grand scheme of things? Well, I can't disgree with the way you put it. Someone needs saving, you save them. "Crash" was supposed to teach us that, right? The racist saves the black woman he debased and humiliated earlier in the film, and we all leave the theater happy, right?

    Sorry, but it's not that simple for me. Race IS a fiction that everybody believes in---we don't have a choice in that. We're socialized to understand that as a fact, and by the time we're five or six years old that's (one of) the lens through which we see the world. Yes, it's a social construct, but no one can opt out of seeing the American cultural landscape with race as a huge, elemental aspect of our being. I'm afraid that's just the way it is.

    Now, when I said race is how we make sense of the world, I didn't mean to suggest that it's the ONLY way we make sense of the world---but it is a factor, and again, the way Americans are socialized into maturity, we don't have a choice. We can strive to insist to ourselves that we won't allow it to overly determine how we see the world, and I believe that's how most right-thinking people, myself included, approach racial difference. But to suggest that anyone doesn't "see" racial difference? I simply don't buy it.

    Now, the rest of your response speaks to the "possibility" of a post-race ideal, and I can respect that, even if I don't think it's realistic. But the reason I can respect it coming from you is because you're identifiably black, and have moved through the world as a black boy and then a black man, and if you want to believe that a post-racial society "can become a reality," more power to you. But you've come to that conclusion knowing what it means to be viewed by society as a black person. Bliss didn't---and she still doesn't---and she never will. Your Delta friend is cool with me, as is every other black person who consciously identifies him- or herself as black, whether they are visually, identifiably black or not.

    See, blackness is a culturally constructed state of mind, to my mind. My sense of what blackness means is almost impossibly vast and wide, and I hate the "you ain't down unless" game as much as anyone; as far as I'm concerned, there are trillions of ways to be black (including uncletomming and passing and I'm-not-black;-I-transcend-race-ness---just because they're not "positive" doesn't mean they're not ways to be black). But the two things necessary, to my mind, in order to be black, is to (1) have to grapple with---happily or sadly---the reality of their relationship to blackness; and (2) be raised in some sort of black context---even if that context is the way white people react to you in otherwise all-white surroundings.

    (Example One: if you're raised by white people in an all-white town in upper Maine, and your skin makes you identifiably black, then that skin and the reactions it prompts is your black context, even if there are no other blacks living for miles around. I'm not suggesting one must be raised in a black family, by any means---Barack wasn't! But I've read his first book: he was raised in a black context, no question about it.

    (Example Two: your skin and hair and facial features do not mark you as identifiably black, but you were raised knowing you were of African descent, and that that fact means something. In that respect, by my definition, Bliss's DAUGHTER is, indeed, black, even though her mother's blackness must be qualified by her lack of a black childhood or adolescence.

    (In other words, if you're not identifiably black, and you're raised in an all-white surrounding, and you don't know you're black---then how can you be black? How would you know to even consider yourself black? Just because of genetics that you discovered when you were grown? Again, I don't buy it. Sorry. Nothing personal; I really did like her.)

    As for my beloved VCU student, I loved that whole scene. Far from feeling resentful, I just thought his was a candid, true-to-my-way-of-thinking response to the way my blackness always announces itself before I can verbally announce myself. It introduces me before I can introduce me. And note: I"m not at all bummed out by that fact. It is what it is. If you don't think that your blackness is the first thing people notice about you, Mark, you're welcome to that opinion, and I respect that opinion---even as I also respectfully disagree with that opinion---, but at base, absent some study I can cite, it's a matter of belief, I suppose. As in, I believe that's the case, and you don't. That's cool---God bless folks who disagree; what a boring, sad world it would be if there weren't people who disagree.

    (I'm sure there've been many studies that can prove it one way or the other, though; and anyway, guess what's up next for Radio Lab? You guessed it: "Race"---premiering in two days,on Nov. 28! I can't wait.)

    But even though I know, intellectually, that it's a matter of belief when one questions whether race is the first thing people identify, what I don't understand is how you or anyone else can hear about the way Malcolm Gladwell says, late in "Choice," that he has "a moderate preference for whites on an unconscious level"---even though he's described by the host as "half-black" (Galdwell does seem to refer to himself as belonging to the designation of "black people" moments later)---and NOT believe that race operates on a subconscious level that influeces how people see others, hence the world? I don't get that.

    Y'know what? The fact is that we HAVE seen a massive amount of positive change since the 60s. There HAS been a startling amount of progress in race relations, progress that will be particularly pronounced on January 20, 2009 at 12 noon. But is this progression going to one day lead us to some sort of raceless soceity? Again, sorry: I cant' see it. Maybe it's me.

    Well, thanks to such a passionate and sustained response by Brother Mark, the two poles are sketched pretty clearly here: where do you brothers come down? What say you?

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  6. Ok. I will try, as best as I can, to make sure I got this right and can give my viewpoint clearly.
    One says, race will always be a "factor" in how one is viewed and the second believes we are moving away from that as a society and one day race will not be a factor?
    Simply put, I believe it will always be a factor. The fears, stereotypes, momumental misunderstandings and just human nature will always
    make someone think, what is THIS person about? Based on a number of factors and race will always be one of them.
    Once they get to know the individual the view may change or
    that person could be, who the individual thought they were.
    Skin,is just too major a factor in this country to just totally, 100 percent go bye bye and not matter to anyone anytime.
    I think our current book (I just got it) will shine some light on this as well.
    Just my 2.

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  7. I don’t go as far to say that I don’t see race or that it doesn’t matter.
    I’m not that naïve and haven’t been living under a rock.
    There are times when, for personal safety, we have to see race when it becomes an issue.
    There are times when we have to see not only race, but gender, and other distinctions that society can make due to that human will being influenced by unconscious factors. Recognizing that race is an issue is not always easy since overt racism is politically incorrect these days and frowned upon superficially by society. I suppose the suppression of overt racism is best for the betterment of society, but it makes the recognition of racism much more challenging. It also increases the chances of false positives in which race is not the issue. I believe people struggle with race and not making it an issue. For some, they not only see race, but also recognize their racism as a character flaw. Some realize they have been socialized to see through the lens of race. They recognize that unconscious bias and make efforts to remove that lens and counter balance that bias. Some are further along in these efforts than others. There are others that proudly use that race lens and use it overtly to the point of racism. I can respect either position. At least I know where the person stands. My goal is that race not be an issue. Race matters when people make is an issue, but in the “grand scheme” it doesn’t matter. Tragedy or death via murder, assault, natural disaster, etc. does not see race.

    I agree with you on the cultural respect. I’m sure you agree you have to respect yourself if you want others to respect you. Our friend Bob Johnson, did not help with our self-respect effort.

    I questioned your belief in Dr. King’s dream. I won’t say you don’t share the dream, but I question your belief in the dream because you seem to doubt the post-racial identity that could be part of that dream. My post racial ideal is not a raceless society, but a respectful society that doesn’t make race an issue. Even if we did achieve a truly post racial ideal with a raceless society, other distinctions will arise. Part of our educational curriculum is to teach children to categorize and make distinctions. This carries over to societal relations as well.

    Thanks for the clarification on making sense of the world through race. Yes, it is a factor, but not the sole factor. It should not dominate how we view the world. We have to recognize racial differences as long as people continue using the labels.

    Your definition of blackness sounds about right as a cultural state of mind and an experience in a black context. Yet sufficiency of melanin trumps that definition every time in the eyes of society. Bliss lacks that relationship to blackness and the black contextual experience.

    As far as people noticing my blackness; I rarely give thought to that possibility. People may notice my blackness, but my consideration is “who are you as an individual”. I don’t wonder too much about their consideration. That is their responsibility. My job is to be myself and continue growing in every way possible.

    Bert, in case I forget, how ‘bout publishing a posting of your thoughts on the next Radiolab segment? That will remind me to listen.

    I do believe that racial considerations operate on a subconscious level. The media makes that virtually impossible. You referred to race as a fiction that everyone believes in. I don’t believe people have to believe in race to the point of solely relying upon it to make sense of the world. Doing so requires the belief in and reliance upon societal stereotypes that can always be defied. As you suggest, there are a trillion ways to be black. That is a fact that non-whites and black people must remember. Doing so subconsciously is not easy. Affecting that subconscious will, that I believe Gladwell referred to, is a lofty challenge in many areas in addition to racial considerations.

    I do wonder, as interracial dating and marriage continues, how will the current racial labels be affected. Again, even if a raceless society is attained, other distinctions will arise. The media will see to that.

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  8. Lindsey,

    I'm not saying that race will never be a factor. I'm saying it is possible that people (some, not all) can relate to each other without race being the dominate consideration. In a way this is a moot point because I do believe that if racial distinctions do decrease, other distinctions will increase. I'm sure you've heard of the experiments in which students were taught to believe that students with a certain eye color were superior to students with other eye color.

    We are all different (Thank God)in many ways beyond race. These differences should be respected to the point that race is not a major consideration in the grand scheme of life. For various reasons (data collection, funding, program evaluation, etc.) distinctions will continue. My dream is that race is not an overriding distinction by which we identify people.

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  9. I'd say we pretty much agree on most of this, Mark, except that in your view I'm on the outside of the MLK dream, my nose pressed to the window pane, looking in from the outside.

    So I went to the speech in which he talks about that dream:

    http://www.mlkonline.net/video-i-have-a-dream-speech.html

    You're going to have to help me here: where does it say he has this investment in some sort of post-racial society? My view of the speech is that he's all about inter-racial/cultural respect. Saying that he dreams of being judged on the content of character instead of skin color doesn't say post-racial to me. Saying he wants little black boys and girls and white boys and girls to be able to sit down in fellowship at one table doesn't say post-racial to me. If I'm getting that wrong, please point it out to me.

    I'm with Linz: post-race is nice work if you can get it, but I just don't see it as a possibility, and I'm still not sure I'd want it. Do we still get the richness, the fullness of black culture; the style, the innovation, the improvisational brilliance of black culture if race as we know it disappears? I can't see how we would.

    Ralph Ellison wrote a short essay once for Time magazine called "What America Would Be Like Without Blacks." Here it is:

    http://www.teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=574

    I kinda like black culture; I'd prefer it not get blurred into some nebulous post-racial society. Is that what you mean by your belief in a post-racial society? And if you didn't mean that, how does this post-race thing work? I'm not trying to be flippant, and I'm not trying to pick nits, but I'm also trying to think this post-race thing through honestly and logically in terms of WHAT WE'D LOSE as well as what we'd gain. I think that matters.

    Hope you and the rest of the crew are having a fine Thanksgiving. My wife threw down; I can barely walk right now I'm so stuffed...

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  10. Well, looks like every racial and ethnic group wants to stake its claim for recognition and continued existence. Every group has its exclusive membership qualifications. Although those qualifications are debatable. As evidenced by the question of Barack being "black enough".

    I also like black culture. As the Ralph Ellison essay sorta alludes to "we add the flava to America". And yet I grow tired of the continued pre-occupation with race.

    My idea of a post-race society is not the elimination of races, but the recognition of race as one would recognize an individual is clothed, and then moving on to normal and respectful interaction. Relating to each other as individuals without the preconceived notions based upon race, gender, birth state, location of residence, profession, etc.
    It is a Post-Label Society in which people actually take the time to learn each other as individuals instead of relying upon labels, outward appearance, and their limited understanding of those labels. That's what I like about BMR?, it challenges the limited understanding of two labels (race and gender).

    Even if you like the cover on that book, open it up and read few pages before deciding to buy it. That is unless it's on the BMR list.

    I admit, I'm a die-hard idealist. I have to be. It's one of the ways I make sense of the world. I have to believe in the possibility of humans to improve.

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  11. Oh, I agree that "race" matters. If you look white, then you ARE white. To pretend otherwise is to declare yourself a genetic freak. Nearly all Latinos and Arabs are at least partially "black." I note that the Negro race does not dare to claim them as "black." Most whites don't care about partial Negro blood as long as the person doesn't identify with blacks. Even then, there is a big difference between the Negro and the Mulatto Elite.

    Anatole Broyard was not reared by "black" parents but by mixed-caucasian Creole parents. Many whiter "mulatto elites" end up identifying as white precisely because their physical reality and cultural upbringing are so very NONBLACK. Bravo for them. The so-called "Negro Race" won't believe they are truly equal to whites until they stop trying to force white blood into their "race" to improve their stock. Can Negro blood stand on its own genetic feet?

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  12. Guys, I'm quite sure Anonymous post of January 4th is A.D. Powell who is a mixed raced woman well known for her hatred of Blacks. Go here to read her thread on this topics and plenty of others. Let this woman serve as a wake up call to you all. Stop clinging to these people. Your stomach will start to turn once you truly understand how much they despise Black folks. Heed the warning. If you can find any "used" copies of A.D. Powell's books you'll soon understand what I'm trying to impart. "Black devotion to hypodescent" ... http://thestudyofracialism.org/about5724.html

    A Friend

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  13. Do your homework on this vile, disgusting creature who goes by the name of A.D. Powell. Even Amazon discontinued distribution of her vicious and racist drivel. The funny thing is she's desperate for black sperm to continue spawning the so-called newer and "improved" stock which she actually considers herself. Go figure lol! Research Leo Felton as well so that you're truly get the picture about those who align themselves with her cause. This cretin, Leo, who's thankfully cooling his heels in prison despises blacks to the very core and attempted to instigate a race war by targetting a Jewish museum for destruction. Many whites feel she taints their bloodline but rather than attack them she aims at blacks who have nothing to do with her lack of acceptance and inclusion by whites who loathes leftovers and throwbacks like her.

    http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=15738

    I'm sick of people who claim that Obama (who rejected the race and ethnicity of his loving white mother and grandparents in favor of "blackness") represents the end of forced "racial" identity when these same people will not stand up to the blacks (like Henry Louis Gates, Jr.) who demonize the late Anatole Broyard for "passing" for a white race that was his biological and cultural reality. Blacks have no right to claim anyone who "looks white" or otherwise nonblack for their "race." That is a "right" they claim which no one should respect.

    http://multiracial.com/site/content/view/38/54/
    http://multiracial.com/site/content/view/417/27/
    http://multiracial.com/site/content/view/460/27/

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  14. Tell the Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Arabs, etc. to call themselves "black." Aren't they all "tainted" with your dreaded "blood"? You only want to force whites and other non-blacks into your "race" in order to improve your stock with the blood of your hated but adored racial "enemies." When your "race" finally achieves some half the "pride" you love to claim, you will have no longer chase after nonblacks to pad your racial resume.

    And don't speak for whites. We are white and we know our own kind better than you. You are the problem, not us. The main enemy of the multiracial movement was the accused NAACP.

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  15. A.D. Powell, you are a mulatto...not white! If only you could "pass". Your reference to that "dreaded" black blood is a dead giveaway. I'm in support of the multiracial movement, but I do get a kick out of your angst over that black blood coursing to your veins. Too bad you don't drop from an embolism. Perhaps that's the source of your vile mindset..."dreaded" sub-saharan blood and matching phenotype.

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